[Music] so ad was mentioning about fibers and in after fibers and but also on on fibers because you are working quite a lot better on the fiber composition of the sound eyes and on how can we manipulate that to improve the efficacy of the sounds we have we have shown that fibers have really liquid to increase increase cross reproduction some fibers not all but I think it seems like we have to start quite early not just during the last week we have to go sir weeks back maybe month before how do you explain that increase the colostrum production that's simply the amount yeah so somehow we can you mean the the underlying mechanism or yeah yeah yeah what could be the mechanism to explain why fiber could influence the colostrum production I think it's related with some bioactive molecules that some fibers are giving rise to so uptake of bioactive molecules to the blood of this how which may act stimulatory in the memory gland that's how I understand it it seems certainly not fermentable fiber versus or soluble fiber versus on a insoluble fiber so when women thinking about fiber you think very often about enzyme to degrade the fiber so what would be the compromise for the formulators you know to use more fibers to use enzymes to get more degraded product for the beneficial effects on the of the sounds that depends like well let me let me go back to your the question before there's another really important aspect of a fiber that's the faring process yeah fiber is really good helps yeah this is really good for the faring process I'll talk more about that later in this afternoon but both to to avoid constipation and to give a long-term energy object from the GI tract so fiber around hydration they are all beneficial [Music] and also and the toxins are absorbed okay it's kind of infection reducing quality and so the whole ferry process is done it difference getting milk fever maybe later on so the final part some people maybe are thinking about tomorrow decide with our I stopped already today with feeding but even the last day enough feet is important and because the the first part is very important in during the lactation in fact the issue very often for the farmers is to make the sales to eat more you know to eat enough to support the Soul Eater hands on hand how do you look at this compromise because in that case using fibers might be a bit difficult to get enough nutrients for the south and so on during gestation yeah yeah and after what happens after during lactation and after doing the gas station and lactation fermentation to start the accumulation the Michael would be affected and then disturbed yes and there is another mechanism that could explain the the positive effect of fibers that we didn't mention until now is a effect on welfare yeah you know that during gestation so I could eat much more than what they receive so they feel hunger during the full gestation and this is a very stressful for them and and we know that providing more fibers in the feed or even better providing them just stro during gestation reduces this frustration and reduces the stress during gestation and we have more and more studies in pigs and in other mammal species showing that stress during gestation has an impact on the development of the fetus and can have an impact also on the health of the mother on the maternal behavior after the birth of the offspring so reducing maternal stress during gestation is a very important aspect also I think I'd say five to seven days before family they get the kind of youth bag the smell of the saw is already going into this small second yeah put this in the nest so they know exactly okay the smell of the sour it's safe here so I can play with it I can't play with it and they have less stress less cortisol so that's using the it's pretty easy cheap way successful as a way to calm these of piglets and so on so in lactation when you want to increase the feeling taking lactation we saw very and I think also in Denmark you do with a lot Scandinavian separate climates for the babies and other climates for the South yeah the South small as maybe 1820 degrees but for the picket it's much warmer yeah yeah so we saw it in our salad many shirts phone you can be increased five to nine kilos yeah you have same same observation or so Peter and in terms of heat stress or difference between yourself because yeah you try to of course it's that's a that's a conflict this out what would prefer it a lower clearly cooler than then we have a normally in the stables and the people it's clearly warmer yeah and I think during the winter wheels we also see more piglets that are dying yeah because of yeah there's a conflict you know the temperature and the humidity and the ventilation is running so if if what if air comes from outside in and it makes it a chilling effect I think they are really susceptible when there are new porn and they aware just just be frank worth mentioning fibers and you know and fibers and enzyme I want to go back on that and to say okay what is the there's a compromise in fact for the nutritionist in fact to use more fibers but also to get some values because before you did leader diets so it could be a good way to improve the fiber content of the feed I think this there's a compromise we not so much related with with what you're asking about right now but but if we want to give them fiber around patrician yeah we would like to added to the to the lactation diet because we used lactation I had the last week before Patricia and then if we add a certain amount of that then they suddenly would have a lot of fiber intake at peak lactation yeah which really is filling up the gastrointestinal tract and let me compromise the feed intake at peak lactation and that can see then subsequently reduced the milk with production so someone feed to be given an around fairy and then the next day starch-based [Music] yeah so face feeding our transition feeding around patrician and then breed out yes I find being an extra constraint for the for the farmers and so on and I like that concept because it's it's a completely other thing that is required around patch eration that then a peak lactation yeah and as I see it and then Mike at least the lactation diets that they fit quite well at peak lactation